Talk:New France

Things to expound on:

Ethnicity

Immigrants

In the early 20th century, thousands of Saint-Dominguese emigrated to New France due to poor economic conditions, mainly settling in Montreal and Les Mureaux. They are overwhelmingly Roman Catholic and are characterised by their mixed race heritage, like the Métis.

Culture

Glorification of the Bourbon dynasty

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Vague lore from discord:

nice thanks [8:35 AM] also [8:35 AM] epic new france idea [8:36 AM] the french communard revolution in the 1870s makes some of the moderate republicans in france flee to new france to escape persecution under the new communard rule [8:37 AM] and this influx of republicans would be a causing factor in a republican revolution maybe in the 1890s(edited) [8:38 AM] one of the big ideas of this New France revolution is dropping the pretense of being the successor to European France [8:38 AM] and just adopting the identity of "New France" [8:38 AM] like, we aren't european, we are new french [8:40 AM] wat u guys think

tulips go barrrrrr01/06/2021 FRANCE 0.2

El Borto01/06/2021 Interesting! I think it makes sense, I'd imagine the ancien regime wouldn't be a very amicable for reform and they'd probably eventually have to leave power. What would happen to the royalty?

Supreme Duchess Tim01/06/2021 Depends if it goes peacefull they likely retain some nice estates

wannabee01/06/2021 good point they probably wont be receptive to these liberal ideas (what??? power descending from the people to the king?? ridiculous) [8:47 AM] hmm [8:47 AM] i think a complete overthrow of the ancien regime would be more likely

Supreme Duchess Tim01/06/2021 Maybe their exile humbled them ? [8:48 AM] its tricky because you need just one new ruler that changes his views and then it can go either way.

wannabee01/06/2021 poor monarchy, imagine getting exiled three times [8:49 AM] maybe not a violent revolution [8:50 AM] but i do imagine that the powers and influence of the king would've waned by the 1860s-70s. maybe couple that with a new young and naive king that basically acts upon the whims of his advisors [8:51 AM] would make for an interesting liberal coup

Supreme Duchess Tim01/06/2021 Yeah or a King that has ideals and is symphatatic, maybe their finances are not as stable anymore [8:51 AM] seeing how bad it could go with the situation in NNL not being to favourable long term for a monarchy

wannabee01/06/2021 mmh, im less inclined to do the sympathetic king route, since thats really the setting of OTL french revolution (gone wrong) lol, and also ittl [8:52 AM] brb quick

El Borto01/06/2021 How would the other powers of N. America react to the new French Republicans? [9:14 AM] Also maybe tussenlandt /Dutch empire supports the king cause didn't the 1870s see a French revolt in merenland? Maybe the tussenlandt authorities see rebellion in New France and are worried they might spill over [9:15 AM] And maybe when the ancien regime is overthrown (again lol) the dutch give the royal family refuge in tussenland? Just an idea

@El Borto Also maybe tussenlandt /Dutch empire supports the king cause didn't the 1870s see a French revolt in merenland? Maybe the tussenlandt authorities see rebellion in New France and are worried they might spill over

wannabee01/06/2021 interesting points, i think that by the 1870s the other N.A. neighbors would probably have enough ties/trade relations with the ancien regime that it would be in their best interests to protect the current regime [10:25 AM] rather than destabilize the entire setup going on in NA, Tussenland would be pretty pro-monarch then, and would probably try their best to supress any pan-French movements in Meerenland (maybe some hardline group calls for the unification of Meerenland and New France) [10:25 AM] now that i think of it, Tussenland and others might pull off some intervention to prevent the revolution from being successful (but mostly tussenland because of meerenland)(edited) [10:26 AM] republic or no republic in 1870, either would be fine to me just need your opinions what you think should happen

@wannabee interesting points, i think that by the 1870s the other N.A. neighbors would probably have enough ties/trade relations with the ancien regime that it would be in their best interests to protect the current regime

El Borto01/06/2021 Makes sense, they'd definitely be hesitant to recognize the rebels. [10:44 AM] Maybe Tussenland tries to eventually negotiate some sort of middle ground in New France with the ancien regime being reduced to figurehead monarch status and the country getting a new constitution that recognizes the country as New France?(edited) [10:44 AM] Plus voting rights and all that

@El Borto Maybe Tussenland tries to eventually negotiate some sort of middle ground in New France with the ancien regime being reduced to figurehead monarch status and the country getting a new constitution that recognizes the country as New France?(edited)

wannabee01/06/2021 ooh this definitely makes sense so kingdom til modern day? would be pretty interesting [11:26 AM] i wonder when bilateral relations between New France and France would start [11:27 AM] but definitely its gonna be sometime after new france becomes simply new france

@wannabee ooh this definitely makes sense so kingdom til modern day? would be pretty interesting

El Borto01/06/2021 Maybe, whatever you think works best!

@wannabee but definitely its gonna be sometime after new france becomes simply new france

El Borto01/06/2021 Maybe they eventually fight in a war on the same side and patch things over

wannabee01/06/2021 perhaps

@El Borto Maybe Tussenland tries to eventually negotiate some sort of middle ground in New France with the ancien regime being reduced to figurehead monarch status and the country getting a new constitution that recognizes the country as New France?(edited)

wannabee01/06/2021 i think ill go with this til the modern day, i think its a really interesting premise [10:22 PM] their official name could be something like(edited) [10:22 PM] "Kingdom of France in the Americas" or something

El Borto01/06/2021 oh, that's a fun official name!

wannabee01/06/2021 cuz i imagine whatever bourbon holding the crown is would still want to claim "France" for legitimacy, and so the revolutionaries just let him have it, but with "in the Americas" appended so it would be clear that it isnt the France in Europe [10:24 PM] (and ngl Kingdom of France in the Americas sounds hella cool)

El Borto01/06/2021 yeah that makes sense [10:25 PM] whats the NNL think about the republican revolt in New France?

wannabee01/06/2021 mmh [10:34 PM] pre-1903 NNL would be pretty non-interventionist i think, with them still having a patroon-led government, only trying to serve their own interests. (its only in the 19th century that they have this outwards militaristic/interventionist policies) [10:34 PM] so i guess they would support the monarchy but no direct/solid action taken [10:34 PM] at best, some financial assistance maybe [10:35 PM] but Tussenland is gonna be the more proactive nation here as they have a lot at stake if the revolution goes crazy [10:35 PM] meerenland