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Conversation re: Mexican Independence and role during the Communard Revolution (January 2021)

El Borto Today at 2:11 PM maybe the communards are out the next year or two in spain (1878 or so) and retreat to the hills and wage a guerrilla type war? then the king of Spain returns to the homeland in 1879 and when he does the soon to be Mexican empire strikes and takes power The Spanish try retaking Mexico but their empire is substantially weakened and not able to mount an effective counterattack

wannabee Today at 2:14 PM True. Makes sense i like it. Also we could have the communards do crazy shit in Spain a la Reign of Terror which will make the general public lose trust in the Communard revolution and want the king back Restore Order

El Borto Today at 2:16 PM makes sense, maybe the communards take a page out of the OTL Spainish Civil war and factionalize also I wonder what might happen to the Spanish colonies the east during this period?

wannabee Today at 2:33 PM Also mexican independence in 1881 sounds sound. Enough time for canal building in 1891 :sunglasses: :thumbsup:

Bort (1/19): is is wrong that I rip off pre colombian history section from wikipedia?

20th c. Mex discussion (2023)

  • 1909:
    • Mexican republic established, Juan-Guillermo Quesada elected as first president (Context: he is a popular military leader during the Dutch-Mexican War, that was unpopularly removed by the then emperor).
    • Remaining House of Horcasitas members flee to New France
  • 1909-1916: The Republican Party era, under Quesada. ((l partido de la republica)
    • 1910: New consitution is finally approved, turns Mexico into a federal nation
    • 1910-1912: "The Long Revolution" against monarchist remnants & paramilitaries.
    • 1913: Quesada reverses imperial period ban on non-catholic immigration
    • 1913-1915: 1st land reform period, former royal land owned by the House of Horcasitas as well as land taken from rebels is confiscated by the state and distributed to public land managment agencies - some is sold some is turned into leaseable commons and some is turned into national parks.
    • 1915:1st wave of 'La Violencia' in the Central American provinces of ethnic & political violence between hispanics & Maya over land & language disputes. Lasts until 1925.
  • 1916-1923: Justice Party rule, under Carlos Bernardo Velasco:
    • 1916: Juan Guillermo Quesada steps down replaced by Carlos Bernardo Velasco.
    • 1916 to 1917: Velasco's conservative bent alienated both populist & liberal republicans leading to split of party (see list of parties below)
    • Velasco fights over major clerical & land reforms, builds allies among former monarchists & ranchers in the north. Lets in increased British investment & reduces tariffs.
    • Improving relations with post-colonial nations during Justice Party era
    • Naval expansion by Mex in the Pacific due to vulnerablilities in Dutch-Mex war.
    • 1919 to 1930: Great American Game: fight with NNL over influence among North America.
    • 1920: Chan Santa Cruz Massacre
    • 1922 to 1928: EEC effects in Mexico, unemployment rises as demand for raw materials from Mexico to Europe plummets, anti-european & anti-gold sentiments rise
    • Justice Party damaged by poor handling of EEC & central american crisis.
  • 1923: People's Revolution Party Rule (Emilio Avila "El Toro" Ortiz)
    • Republican Liberty President Emilio Avila Ortiz "El Toro" elected with support from Progressive and moderate members of the People's Revolution Party.
    • 1924: Mexico starts to support the Floridian rebels
    • 1925: Guatmalan riots force Mexican government to intervene ending the crisis in central america
    • 1928: Cristero uprising, Mexican government negoiates with rebels after 12 months of sporadic fighting- contraversial article 19 of the constitution upheld, government ends anti-clerical policies
    • 1929: Mexico adopts a bi-metalist monetary policy
    • 1930: Juan Carlos Guzmán becomes president
      • Emilio Ortiz, despite enjoying significant popularity and widespread support for his re-election, decides not to run for a 2nd term as President, to uphold the principles of democratic governance and prevent any potential consolidation of power. His voluntary withdrawal from the presidential race sets a precedent and establishes a stigma against prolonged presidencies in Mexico.
    • 1931: NNL & Mexico start winding down their economic and political rivalry in the aftermath of the Floridian revolution & threat of growing British influence in North America
  • By 1985:
    • Mexican Catholics: 56%:the Italian branch, 35%: papist branch, 9%: follow minor Catholic branches / Sedavacantist movements etc.
      • Local conservative sedevacantist church based in Bajio area.
      • Ciudad Quesada: named after Juan Guillermo Quesada, who undertook naval development programs. (in OTL Lazaro Cardenas, Michoacan)
      • Lake Texcoco being less drained than OTL

Splinter of initial republican parties into 4 major parties

(1916-1917) Velasco's conservative bent alienated both populist & liberal republicans leading to split of party (see list of parties below)

  • The Justice Party (Partido Republicano de la Justicia)
    • Conservative Republican Party made up of landlords, southerns ranchers, conservative
    • middle class, rural workers, pro-clerical - rallies around Velasco
  • Republican Liberty Party (El Movimiento Independiente de la Libertad Republicana)
    • Urban Liberals, middle class, republican rights, militarist, social-liberals,
    • economic liberals, anti-clerical
  • The People's Revolution Party (El Partido Revolucionario del Pueblo de México)
    • Populist, peasantry-focused, militarist, anti-imperialist, reformist, anti-clerical
  • Progressive Party (La Revolución Progresista)
    • North-American focused, Progressive, moderate, reformist, industrial focused, land-reform
    • popular along coast

As well as the additonal:

  • Ranchers Party (El Partido del Rancheros): Norteño focused party
  • People's Party (La Voluntad del Pueblo): Soft-monarchist remnant party, emphasizes hispanic hertitage, popular in the north, and in particular Nuevo Mexico & Nuevo León
  • Party of Christ (Partido de Cristo el Salvador): Rural Christians, Conservative Peasants rally for clericalism
  • Williamsburg Party (De Partÿ v'n Williamburg): Boer Autonomous party, boer-amerikaener rights, northern rights, conservative, rural
  • Communard Party of Mexico: Minor party in Ciudad de Mexico