From Roses, Tulips, & Liberty

That would work, maybe the revolution in New Granada starts in 1838 with a armed militia occupying Medellín but there's a lead up of liberal riots and protests from 1836(edited) [9:39 AM] The revolution first takes hold in the Colombian highlands and spreads to inland Venezuela and slowly pushes the Spanish towards to coast and eventually a peace treaty is mediated by the British [9:40 AM] I'm also thinking that the border in the Ecuadorian lowlands is vague and partially undefined which might lead to another conflict later one (in the 1880s? maybe)

I was thinking New Granada could have something based off this: Abolition of Slavery, freedom of religion, etc, and all those radical republican ideals (and also resentment against Spanish protectionism).

Meanwhile in Europe, ITTL Spain could have never adopted their parliamentary monarchy in 1833, eventually boiling tensions between the republicans and the conservatives throughout the 1830s-50s and spreading to LA. But I imagine that in the end, the conservative liberals win in Spain and something like the July monarchy could be established (possibly with still the same king though)

However the new leaders of Spain would still be conservative and would be against the radical republicanism in New Granada so that's why they still aim to crush this rebellion [3:38 AM] i could see other LA countries join New Granada's cause as well, but probably not the royalist colonies

And maybe Spanish have a financial crisis and squeeze the colonies a bit and start being a little more protectionist (which could maybe explain why they sold? Land to NNL voortrekkers in CA)?

Also it makes south tussenlandt the Haitian revolution of this TL (the first successful slave revolution)(edited) [10:03 AM] Maybe the Spanish empire does also abolish slavery in 1845 or so in order to placated the colonies and reformers and that could also tie into why they support the South tussenlandt revolution a little bit(edited)

wannabee12/18/2020 ooh yeah that works. spain could also provide refuge then for escaped slaves [10:07 AM] btw [10:07 AM] question [10:08 AM] do the Dutch actively support the rebel movement in New Granada, or are they just trading with New Granada via Tussenland (in violation of Spain's protectionist policies)?(edited)

El Borto12/18/2020 Maybe they start with just trading with the rebels but when the tide turns against Spain they start to make threats and financially support the rebels? [10:13 AM] And that plus other powers trying to weaken Spain by brokering a peace treaty / Spain dealing with the spring at home makes them forced to let new Granada go

wannabee12/18/2020 that makes sense [10:17 AM] how about the start of the war being Spanish ships attacking Dutch merchant ships en route to New Granada?(edited)

El Borto12/18/2020 Oh, I like that!

wannabee12/18/2020 kinda like Spain giving an (ignored) ultimatum to the Dutch to stop trading with New Granada. It would then make sense that the treaty would have the Netherlands losing their Gulf port, kinda like a punishment to stop trading with their other colonies

El Borto12/18/2020 Yeah that would be a fitting punishment